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P2 MP on steam - clusterfuck?
« on: October 14, 2012, 05:23:00 AM »
If Postal 2 STP goes onto steam is Kamek going to be hired again to help combat the rampant cheating in stp mp? I assume there will be a patch by Toploader (I'm not saying he will or confirmed it, I'm just guessing) if it goes on steam like the new wide screen patch but I was wondering if there was going to be patch to try to stop some of it? Besides just a patch - is there anyway VAC2 could be implemented? It's not full proof either as there is a website dedicated to selling people cheats that I'm not gonna post here but they're pretty good at updating and getting past anti-cheating methods.

Another thing i was thinking about was the Postal 2 free MP being able to play with people who would buy it on steam. Free MP of anything is just a breeding ground for cheaters so I was thinking that only Postal steam could play only with other steam players. It wouldn't stop the cheating entirely but it would keep a lot of the kids out who do it in the free mp. Once it's on steam there will be a player base again and all the f2p people will be wanting to play with the steam players. One thing about it being on steam is you can be flagged and banned from all VAC2 protected servers iirc which would fuck their steam account so it would be a deterrent for steam users to cheat. I guess you could let f2p users and the steam users play together on unprotected servers.

I know I sound like a Nazi but I am really tired of good games going free then being ruining by brbrbrbr?! and people who cheat. The last time I played Postal 2 MP I kept getting killed by Gary Coleman who constantly had gold kevlar until I finally killed him and he exploded into hundreds of crack pipes. He left the server after that.

Is that something RWS has thought about? The steam only thing, not Gary Coleman exploding into hundreds of crack pipes.

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Re: P2 MP on steam - clusterfuck?
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2012, 08:15:15 AM »
I dunno what server you were playing on, but the 'exploding into 1000 crack pipes' was fixed long ago. Any server running 1409X (which all should be now, no reason not to) will not have these kinda cheap glitches.  'Rampant cheating' is really not true either. As you pointed out there are cheats for all games and no anticheat system really works for those that are determined, but I play STP online quite a bit and I've seldom come across cheaters lately.  You'll find that those that do are the same small group out to grief another small group. 

Making VAC2 work with P2 is incredibly unlikely.  Do any non source games even use it? If they do, and Valve allow companies to freely use it if they are willing to set it up, then I'd certainly look into it at least, although with so many mods and file versions out there for P2 I'd be worried about someone getting caught out in a false positive, which as you know will permanently ban your Steam account from VAC2.

We could make the Steam version incompatible with the Free MP (And therefor every other version of POSTAL 2) but that's hardly fair and really, there is simply no point.  P2 is long past its peak, you'll be lucky to see more than 20 people online at anyone time.  Assuming the Steam version makes the game pick up more players, the chances are they will vastly eclipse the numbers that use the free MP.  The free mp didn't really increase the numbers much anyway, it was more to offer Polish and Russian fans an easy way to play online with the rest of the world (as their clients were incompatible with the English version).

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Re: P2 MP on steam - clusterfuck?
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2012, 11:10:19 AM »
I dunno what server you were playing on, but the 'exploding into 1000 crack pipes' was fixed long ago. Any server running 1409X (which all should be now, no reason not to) will not have these kinda cheap glitches.  'Rampant cheating' is really not true either. As you pointed out there are cheats for all games and no anticheat system really works for those that are determined, but I play STP online quite a bit and I've seldom come across cheaters lately.  You'll find that those that do are the same small group out to grief another small group. 

Making VAC2 work with P2 is incredibly unlikely.  Do any non source games even use it? If they do, and Valve allow companies to freely use it if they are willing to set it up, then I'd certainly look into it at least, although with so many mods and file versions out there for P2 I'd be worried about someone getting caught out in a false positive, which as you know will permanently ban your Steam account from VAC2.

We could make the Steam version incompatible with the Free MP (And therefor every other version of POSTAL 2) but that's hardly fair and really, there is simply no point.  P2 is long past its peak, you'll be lucky to see more than 20 people online at anyone time.  Assuming the Steam version makes the game pick up more players, the chances are they will vastly eclipse the numbers that use the free MP.  The free mp didn't really increase the numbers much anyway, it was more to offer Polish and Russian fans an easy way to play online with the rest of the world (as their clients were incompatible with the English version).


Yeah, I was citing an old example with the crack pipe exploit. I haven't played online in ages. There are non source games that use VAC2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valve_Anti-Cheat#Games_that_support_VAC. I see your point about the steam version being way more popular than the free version. The free version was out first though so it basically started with hardly any players. If it were on steam I'd think the MP would pick up and I'd bet the free mp would pick up for that reason alone. That's why I was worried about the free to play players able to play with the people who paid for the game. I see your point though - if it goes through on steam we can sit back and see what happens. Should be interesting. I'm looking forward to playing Splinter Foundry over my Postal 2 steam with a full server. I just hope someone doesn't brbrbrbr at me  :P

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Re: P2 MP on steam - clusterfuck?
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2012, 07:03:34 PM »
I was gonna say Stickler, there was a guy that went by "Ninja" that learned the pipe trick from one of the clans, cant remember which one offhand, that was quite well known for using that, but as Jon mentioned, most servers are at least X now , if not XL , so i for one have not seen it in action since Mediazona vanished again(which was a notorious any thing goes play ground).
Do i see things going on in X servers...yes but nowhere near the proportions it used to be! :)

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Re: P2 MP on steam - clusterfuck?
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2012, 11:35:24 AM »
Afaik VAC is rather easy to implement as it's mostly sits around DirectX layer and doesn't touch game code a lot.

BTW, you should really make Steam version of free MP like Croteam did with SSHD:TSE.

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Re: P2 MP on steam - clusterfuck?
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2012, 12:47:11 PM »
For the people thinking that VAC2 is a good anti-cheat , it isn't , it only offers protection from the 12 year old morons. Just saying.

(but hey , 90% of the times the "hackers" are the 12 year old ego kids, so it might be a good thing.)

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Re: P2 MP on steam - clusterfuck?
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2012, 05:05:05 PM »
Well any anti-cheat protection is better than none.
Otherwise it all comes down to the servers admin.

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Re: P2 MP on steam - clusterfuck?
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2012, 10:28:22 AM »
I'm not a fan of steam at all but my thoughts are the same as yours!!!

But first, whats about the fact that Postal 2 still is on the INDEX in germany (forbidden)?

Steam can not change this in any way or?! only a revolution can change that!

Someone should call the army, after that we are able to discuss about anti-cheating protection... :o


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Re: P2 MP on steam - clusterfuck?
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2012, 03:26:28 PM »
You from germany, activisor? I can tell ya that I am and I already am kind of worried. there are lots of games on Steam that you cannot access in germany. Happy that a friend of mine was able to get me most of them, for example Wolfenstein 3D.

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Re: P2 MP on steam - clusterfuck?
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2012, 04:14:42 PM »
Regardless of VAC, Will the servers be able to ban players based on their Steam ID?

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« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2012, 06:56:23 AM »
You from germany, activisor? I can tell ya that I am and I already am kind of worried. there are lots of games on Steam that you cannot access in germany. Happy that a friend of mine was able to get me most of them, for example Wolfenstein 3D.

Germany yes! POSTAL 3 Catharsis- I had to order in Austria and it worked, I got the original DVD in my hands!
But I had to download via a "hidden link" the whole game on steam (more than 10 gb) ... although days before the sale has been setted off on steam for germany. lol. wtf!
I cant believe that our german "Uwe Boll" made the motion picture which was seen in  germany and nothing more happens? crazy world!
We live in a democracy but censorship rapes us again and again,  that's politics. lol

"Steam can not change this in any way or?! only a revolution can change that!  Someone should call the army, after that we are able to discuss about anti-cheating protection... " LOOOOOOOOOL!!!

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« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2012, 08:11:32 AM »
Germany yes! POSTAL 3 Catharsis- I had to order in Austria and it worked, I got the original DVD in my hands!
But I had to download via a "hidden link" the whole game on steam (more than 10 gb) ... although days before the sale has been setted off on steam for germany. lol. wtf!
I cant believe that our german "Uwe Boll" made the motion picture which was seen in  germany and nothing more happens? crazy world!
We live in a democracy but censorship rapes us again and again,  that's politics. lol

"Steam can not change this in any way or?! only a revolution can change that!  Someone should call the army, after that we are able to discuss about anti-cheating protection... " LOOOOOOOOOL!!!

You guys need to unfreeze all the Nazis. Western world needs another war badly so it can stop moaning and overcome debt crisis.

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Re: P2 MP on steam - clusterfuck?
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2012, 02:10:11 PM »
We need just another Austrian who tells us wonderful fairytales to gain power and shwoop World War 3 announced

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« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2012, 03:32:29 AM »
Germany yes! POSTAL 3 Catharsis- I had to order in Austria and it worked, I got the original DVD in my hands!
But I had to download via a "hidden link" the whole game on steam (more than 10 gb) ... although days before the sale has been setted off on steam for germany. lol. wtf!
I cant believe that our german "Uwe Boll" made the motion picture which was seen in  germany and nothing more happens? crazy world!
We live in a democracy but censorship rapes us again and again,  that's politics. lol

"Steam can not change this in any way or?! only a revolution can change that!  Someone should call the army, after that we are able to discuss about anti-cheating protection... " LOOOOOOOOOL!!!

You guys need to unfreeze all the Nazis. Western world needs another war badly so it can stop moaning and overcome debt crisis.

Dude, my home country is weak!
Military service in germany has been a solid anchor in the Basic Law, such as the right to physical and mental integrity!
But it was abolished in the year 2010; under the government-leadership of this woman "Merkel".
We all didn`t vote for her.
I`m one of the last man, which came to the enjoyment:" I was trained in the year 2001 with real weapons and tactics by our military service.
BUT for subsequent generations, this remains denied!  WTF!

There is something in secret. It distracts us, you can feel it! We can not defend ourselves, how to remember to perform a German war or World WAR3?
No no dudes, we're fucked off! Not a chance... :'(

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Re: P2 MP on steam - clusterfuck?
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2012, 09:02:12 PM »
I know this is late, but I think I should post.

I know people still like to play MP. I do now and again. There are a lot of servers up and that is good. I
understand having custom maps and mods just to change it up a bit, but we don't need to have all the
good servers to have custom files. Maps are fine, even if the maps are boring "rats" maps and have
unbalanced play. Do we really need to download hundreds of megs in assets for a few shitty maps? It's
out of control. how about some vanilla P2 MP on a reasonably fast sever? Gone are those full snatch
and grab games I guess.

I'm being critical because I think it would bring in more gamers, maybe even some old school guys. Go
ahead with the custom stuff, but Jesus, lay off the airmail and gfx packages. Goddamn depressing
to get redirected to texture and sound files that are huge, only to load a small, badly lit level, with
porn and crappy item placement.

Any others care? Is there still an Arena server?

maybe do something about that headshot aim bot, I got iced a couple of times by a guy climbing a
ladder while holding 'nades, and he mg headshot me perfectly. It was a aimbot for sure, he had no
skill except 'that one'.

... and Chozo stinks. It always did. Goddamn collision problems and unbalanced as all hell.

 

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