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StephenArdrey

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Drawing A Perfect Circle
« on: June 29, 2012, 05:07:37 PM »
In Italy, sometime during the Renaissance, an artist was asked ,"Why he should he be allowed to work on a commission?"

The artist, without an implement, drew a perfect circle. This impressed the comission enough, that they hired the artist. This is an old piece of folk lore, but tell people about the brilliance in simplicity. I learned this, when I was a line cook, when I was 16. There is one thing as a line cook, that will humble you time and time again.



An egg, a simple fried egg, will test your patience every time. It's as complex as a steak, as delicate as pastry, and intense complex in it's simplicity. It's just a fucking egg, but how does this transfer over to video games?



Simplicity, can be found in all of the greatest games. Pong, wouldn't have been Pong, if it had been a complex system of controlls and graphics. It's simplicity gave birth to video games. Simple, competitive, and drew the player in to the competition by allowing them to play a friend. Then there was Pac-Man.

It was a very clean idea. Run around a maze, eating stuff, and chasing ghosts (sounds like modern prime time TV). It was easily accesible to everyone, yet still provided a unique challenge to each and every type of gamer. Pac-Man, was an opus, played on a kudzoo and by today's standards, it's dated and old. Do programmer's still respect simplicity?



The problem is, we have became almost too subjective, when it come to games. We look at everything, besides the simplicity. Like we are looking for something more and more complex but there is a generation of gamers, that doesn't respect the challenge of Tetris. Why don't we respect that now?

It's not because of difficulty. Tetris, can find new and unique ways to kick your ass everytime. It's not graphics, because how more complex can you make a simple square. You can make it 3-D, but it's still the same, simple, game. No different, than placing pegs in holes as a child. Maybe, because it's to repetitive.

Tetris, always will feel like you have played it before. It doesn't matter, how long you are away from it, it will always feel like you have mastered the basic controlls. When I say basic, it's because true master players know how complex strategy can get when it comes to this game. This very simple game, is intricately logical and can be played by anyone.



What's wrong with hack and slash games?

These are simple, fun, usually multi-player, and easy for anyone to pick-up and play. I enjoy them, probably more than I should in order to stay unbiased, there is a purity in button mashing. Knowing that a simple combo, can save your characters life. Then when you add depth of story, this seems to just be a brilliant love affair. They suffer the same problem as Tetris.

If you have played one, you have probably played them all. From Final Fight to the thousands of clones of Final Fight, it never quite ends and just repeats. Kind of like a circle, a simple shape, but infinitely complex in what it actually is. That's what every game should strive to become.

Simple, in the form of accessibility, but complex and deep when one looks beyond. This creates something, that is infinite, and complete without being unrecognizable. This leads to challenge, which leads to fun, and eventually makes something rememorable. There is nothing like an egg, to make one remember, what is in store beyond that. It's time for me to hav a Dr. Pepper and shut the fuck up. Take care.

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Re: Drawing A Perfect Circle
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2012, 01:26:04 PM »
Drawing perfect circle is impossible due to spacetime being discrete at the Planck scale.

StephenArdrey

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Re: Drawing A Perfect Circle
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2012, 01:34:06 PM »
Drawing perfect circle is impossible due to spacetime being discrete at the Planck scale.

That's one explanation, the other is human objectivity and that there is no mathematical calculation for perfect. Hince, why you can't ever have a perfect game, or how nothing in this world can be. Even an egg can't be perfect, because there is always a structual fault present. Anything, when left to perception, can't be perfect do to an individuals need.

If the need, is something different than presented, than it's not perfect. You can't create one thing, that fulfills all needs, hince you can't create anything perfect.

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Re: Drawing A Perfect Circle
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2012, 04:39:24 PM »
human objectivity
???
there is no mathematical calculation for perfect.
Math is perfect by itself.

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Re: Drawing A Perfect Circle
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2012, 04:40:51 PM »
human objectivity
???
there is no mathematical calculation for perfect.
Math is perfect by itself.

To an extent, the issue is, that it;s still a man made science.

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Re: Drawing A Perfect Circle
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2012, 03:24:09 AM »
I don't think sufficiently intelligent alien life won't be able to figure out math by themselves.

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Re: Drawing A Perfect Circle
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2012, 04:40:10 AM »
You are still making the assumption, that alien math isn't different than ours. We could find ourselves at odds with alien life because of our imperfect mathematical theorums.

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Re: Drawing A Perfect Circle
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2012, 05:02:33 AM »
I don't think so. If you look closely you will find that it is impossible to do any accurate mathematical simulation in real world. We were able to completely abstract ourselves from real world and think in terms that don't exist outside of our minds.

The stuff that is obviously incompatible is decimal number system. I mean what idiot had thought that using such non-portable thing as number of our fingers is a good idea?

I'm happy that scientists only use binary when attempting to find or contact any extraterrestrial intelligence.

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Re: Drawing A Perfect Circle
« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2012, 05:08:50 AM »
I am curious about what an outside species of intelligent life would think about us. Let's forget our war like nature and that fact that we argue about completely arbitrary things i.e. fashion do's and dont's. What do they think about the strange talking monkey's, and our views on life? Is alien philosiphy that different than ours?

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Re: Drawing A Perfect Circle
« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2012, 05:28:53 AM »
There are a couple of things that work everywhere. One notable is natural selection. Adapt or go extinct. Another thing is that the universe is arguably the only one so it is a shared resource. And if you want to continue living you will have to consume resources. So we are (will) compete for the universe.

I would say that super advanced alien life will want to absorb our resources and knowledge. If we will be able to cooperate by adhering to their standards (imperial and SI units systems are a joke, they're too heavily based on Earth unique properties, Unicode is no longer, date and time are also obsolete), we will probably enjoy the benefits of their advancement.

Otherwise, they will probably kill us without second thought. Any sufficiently intelligent human understands that religion is really stupid thing, morals and common sense are too vague, incompatible and unreliable.

Any advanced intelligent life will not have common sense, morals or religion. But it will have advanced complex and efficient law system which will be enforced at all costs. Killing humans is just removing unnecessary opponent that competes in natural selection. No hard feelings. Emotions are for weak. Weak go extinct.
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Re: Drawing A Perfect Circle
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2012, 11:05:31 AM »
Neil deGrasse Tyson - Who Are We To Say We Are Intelligent?
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Re: Drawing A Perfect Circle
« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2012, 11:14:40 PM »
Neil deGrasse Tyson - Who Are We To Say We Are Intelligent?


I would say we are intelligent relative to Earth species and probably the Solar System. But what is out there is unimaginable to the Average Joe.

 

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