Meh. I don't get it either, but whatever. If their weird social and sexual deviations make them happy, then, by all means, let those people do what they want. I honestly don't see how it's different from BDSM. As for the social isolation, that happens with a lot of other groups, anyway. As long as they don't force other people into it, it's their right.

If I do have a complaint about bronies, however, is how they cry and whine about how everyone hates them for no reason, and how nobody understands them, apart from the shit fits they burst on when called "bronies" and whatnot... BUT, when someone says "You watch MLP? Are you gay or something?" then they all respond "WHA?! NO! WE HATE FAGGOTS!!!". Ah, the hypocrisy.

yeah..I'll give you that.. it is an issue..and tbh.. it's prolly not the biggest.. (could be statistic wise,IDK),but I feel the biggest is people who can afford to buy things,yet they still download like there's no tomorrow.. "sticking it to the man" and prolly even more so,those who download,and copy,and sell.. "black market"

Yes, there is people out there who have the money to buy stuff but pirate nonetheless. But I pirate personally (though for different reasons) so I still think I'm no-one to complain. And for the record, I've never approved of profiting from piracy. Getting things that should be paid for, without paying for whatever reason I can understand, but leeching money from other person's work is a whole different issue. I'm still surprised that that stuff actually sells, since that same people could just download it themselves.

By the way, I've always been interested in the fact that they manage to make statistics for piracy even though it's supposed to be done secretly... go figure.

it's a problem that will never be solved however.. it's nothing new either. "VCR anyone?" as far as Movie/Tele/Film Industry..I have a hard time feeling sorry for these guys anyway.. when they pay 1 million per episode,or 4 billion per movie for an actor's name..when there are starving actors with more talent.. anyway going off subject here.. lol

Yeah, it's not like the industries are starving because of piracy or something. Piracy does hurt the industry to some extent, but it's nowhere nearly as bad as they want people to believe. And yes, being good at your job alone often isn't enough to get hired.

Well then I guess we are done with this discussion?

Quote from: Toploader on May 12, 2012, 11:15:26 AM

Quote from: RedGhostFrog on May 12, 2012, 11:05:54 AM

Bottom line: Third World countries exist, and you can't possibly compare the economic situations of the people who live in these countries to those who live in the First World.

  I think D's point is many just use this excuse when it's not really true, rather then just say 'hey yeah, I downloaded it cause I could, what of it?'

that's precisely what I'm saying,and I stick with my orig.. statement.. if you can afford Internet,and a device (which isn't stolen) to use these "Stolen" Games on,you can afford to buy the game.. bottom line. maybe there is a rare case,but IMO if you are that broke,maybe you should be outside tending a garden,or trying to wash a window,or something,or just own up to it.. hey I fuckin' stole it,cause I could,and I don't feel it's worth paying for.. which is true in many cases.. 3dsmax,Photoshop,etc are good example.. to a hobby modder it's not worth the high cost..we have free alternatives of-course,but still..

I don't know how things work where you live, but I highly doubt you can equate the price of a monthly internet connection to that of a videogame... then again, as I pointed out previously, games' prices outside of US tend to be a lot higher. Maybe where you live the prices of games and internet are somewhat similar, but still, you are assuming the situation in your particular country is the same as in every other one. And my PC, particularly, is very low-end. And I've had the same one for about 4 or 5 years. It's not like I change my PC every year like some other people do. Plus, when I do, it don't buy the latest graphics card, and all that new shit. My current PC, the one I'm using right now, doesn't even have a separate graphics card or any card to begin with (it's all within the motherboard).

Even considering that, your argument is quite fallacious. A computer and an internet connection might be a necessity for your job, in which case you can't just say "well I can cancel my internet contract for the next couple of months to buy a few games and sell my PC to buy that new console". You might as well be saying "you could just not feed your family for the next few weeks and buy Diablo 3, you cheap asshole".

Bottom line: Third World countries exist, and you can't possibly compare the economic situations of the people who live in these countries to those who live in the First World.

^I already explained here why I consider your conclusion on PC owning pirates wrong. Please, if you disagree, feel free to refute my argument any way you want. Luckily I am not as poor as I presume you are thinking (though you are probably being sarcastic), I have enough money to afford food and a place to live. However, it is important to note that since food and houses/apartments are produced/built where I live, their prices are made to fit the consumer, that is, the people of my country. I'm pretty sure that if you could somewhat travel instantly and without any cost here to do your your shopping at our grocery stores, you'd find yourself saving a considerable amount of your salary. But since videogames are imported, the price of them is adjusted to the exporter's market (generally the US).

And I never said that what I did wasn't piracy. I completely own up to that. And yes, there are games (and software, movies, music, etc.) that aren't worth their price. Depending on the case, piracy might be justified even if you can afford it. I didn't say being broke was the only acceptable reason to pirate. But it's definitely existant, whether you see or experience it or not.

now,if I wanted to go in depth,I could come up with some compelling arguments/excuses.. say Johnny buys a wii console,because he knows he can download the games.. when in any other case he wouldn't have bought a console.. is piracy a good thing? well it's good for Nintendo..they made money they otherwise wouldn't have.. anyway.. I'm arguing for the sake of arguing now,so I'll leave it @ that..

That is actually the common scenario here with the people who can afford the console in the first place. Which is not many people, by the way.

the one thing I am saying,and saying loud..if you truly enjoyed it,support it.. it says two things  "this was good enough to buy" ,and "gimme more"

I agree that supporting would be good. But what I'm saying is that some people just can't afford to help, no matter how much they would want to.

here's my favorite excuse.. "I don't have the money" you can afford the internet,and the PC to play it on.. oh,and I'm no angel,so don't get me wrong..but please stop with the excuses.. just say it..pirates steal because it's easy..

I don't know how things work where you live, but I highly doubt you can equate the price of a monthly internet connection to that of a videogame... then again, as I pointed out previously, games' prices outside of US tend to be a lot higher. Maybe where you live the prices of games and internet are somewhat similar, but still, you are assuming the situation in your particular country is the same as in every other one. And my PC, particularly, is very low-end. And I've had the same one for about 4 or 5 years. It's not like I change my PC every year like some other people do. Plus, when I do, it don't buy the latest graphics card, and all that new shit. My current PC, the one I'm using right now, doesn't even have a separate graphics card or any card to begin with (it's all within the motherboard).

Even considering that, your argument is quite fallacious. A computer and an internet connection might be a necessity for your job, in which case you can't just say "well I can cancel my internet contract for the next couple of months to buy a few games and sell my PC to buy that new console". You might as well be saying "you could just not feed your family for the next few weeks and buy Diablo 3, you cheap asshole".

Bottom line: Third World countries exist, and you can't possibly compare the economic situations of the people who live in these countries to those who live in the First World.

I see what you did there... taking advantage of the almighty power of boobs (TVTropes: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/IHaveBoobsYouMustObey).

I consider art, the religion for the non-religious. The idea that someone would sacrifice so much and get so little in return, is often the basis for many religions. That is also the prinicipal of many games. That you spend your time enjoying something but with a since of pain because of difficulty or because it isn't what you expected.

I don't think they are at the same level. You can stop playing a game that you don't enjoy and it won't have as much consequences as if you did that with your religion.

With this also comes inturpretations of art that may not have been intended. Many of us can look at one scene of Final Fantasy VII (spoiler alert, skip paragraph), Ariel's death, and be torn into pieces about what just transpired. Other's see the same scene and wonder if it was a take on the loss of innocence at the hands of the corporate world. Some would just tell you it's another dead bitch and move on.

Fix'd. I know the game is old and all, but still...

What bothers me, is when people don't bother to look beyond the surface of anything. In religion, this is called blind faith. In gaming, this is called being a fanboy. Now, don't get being a fan confused with being a fanboy. It's as different as being a believer and a zealot.

Agreed.

A fan appreciates the art without dressing like Mario and fucking his Princess Peach pillow. A fanboy, is about three steps away from wearing a skin suit and talking to his dead mom. The same is with believer and zealot. A believer, has a trust in his fath but doesn't wake up in the morning, put on a crown of thorns, and flails the flesh off his back.

I guess that when Nintendo designed that shit that was one of the intended purposes of that pillow...

I think it's time for a reformation in gaming. I mean a true over throw of what we have been told the art is. Yeah, fuck Mario at this point. You can make an E Rated game that isn't an over comercialized marketing mechanism. They can also start by giving some of the creators who helped build their empires due royalties. Just saying, programmers don't take a vow of poverty when they sign up for this gig.

I don't know what the situation with the original Mario creator is, but if Nintendo bought the rights to the character then they're fucked. And let's not forget that not only Nint€ndo is a corporation, and now it is trying to go for the casual demographic, so... they have to keep it simple. Their games, I mean.

I know sacrifice is a part of art but some have sacrificed to much and have gotten little in return. If your a true fan, then you understand that the creator of Mario has never received one dime in royalities for the multi-billion dollar franchise. If he was an indie creator, he may have had his own company by now and we wouldn't be talking about Nintendo. It's just odd what we worship in gaming, and who we don't.

I don't worship devs, in any case if a game is that good I worship the game itself. Again please give more details about the original dev of Mario so I can further understand this issue. Or, I could google it, whatever.